Join Anand Upadhye as he speaks to giants in the legal industry about rapid change in legal technology and the business of law.
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Episode 21
From Google to Ironclad
Today’s episode is with Mary O’Carroll, the Chief Community Officer at Ironclad, a contract lifecycle management company. Mary comes from a consulting, business, and finance background and through her career at Orrick, Google, Ironclad, has become one of the faces of “legal operations.” It doesn’t hurt that she was a founding board member of CLOC, the corporate legal operations consortium.
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Episode 20
Bring the Human Back to Legal
Today’s episode is with Varun Mehta, the CEO of Factor, a legal managed services company recently spun out of Axiom, the massive alternative legal services provider. Varun’s story is fascinating. He approaches the legal industry from the perspective of an engineer out to solve problems in a cross-disciplinary way, totally free from the traditional, and frequently ineffective, old ways of performing legal services for clients. Varun starts by telling the story of a formative experience earlier in his career where he was able to assemble a team of subject matter experts and data scientists and beat a Global 100 firm in…
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Episode 19
Law by SKU
In this episode, Joey talks about building a company in the depths of the Great Recession, large early clients opting to use Level Legal over traditional law firms, and all of the cultural and efficiency-based decisions he and his partners made in the early days. I think you’ll find Level Legal intriguing because it represents a different, arguably better way to do certain types of legal work. Joey is an experienced attorney who realized that he could do certain legal work more “efficiently, and more cost effectively” than the incumbent players. Could business like Level Legal represent the diversified future of how legal work is completed in the United States?
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Episode 18
The $200 Million Phone Call.
In today’s episode, we’re joined by Wendell Jisa, the CEO of Reveal Data. I ask him about his entrepreneurial journey, exactly how a $200M megadeal actually happens, and why legal technology is finally attracting these massive investments. Wendell’s story and vision in this space is remarkable. His transparency and honesty in explaining his view of the industry, how he’s grown his business, and how this massive deal came to life are impressive. As always, if you like our discussion, please rate us on Apple podcasts. We hope you enjoy the conversation
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Episode 17
The Crypto Episode
Happy New Year, Modern Lawyer Podcast listeners. Today’s episode addresses one of the fastest moving, most fascinating areas in the law today: blockchain and cryptocurrency. We’re joined by Joon Kim, a former Kirkland & Ellis attorney and AGC at Goldman Sachs, who is now the general counsel at blockchain startup o1 Labs, based out of San Francisco. This episode explores three key things: one: a basic primer on what attorneys need to know now regarding cryptocurrency, two: what technological developments in smart contracts and transactions could replace rote, low level, and inefficient legal work,…
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Episode 16
Reimagining Law Firms (Part 3)
Today’s episode is the third and final episode in a three part series on how the law firm business model will change in response to economic, competitive, and cultural trends. Our guest today is Patrick DiDomenico, the Chief Innovation Officer at leading employment law firm Jackson Lewis. Patrick literally wrote the book on KM in legal, appropriately titled Knowledge Management for Lawyers. In this episode, we talk about whether law firms are at a structural disadvantage to adapt to the legal needs of the future, the consequences of large clients keeping legal work within their in-house departments instead of hiring law…
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Episode 17
It’s Not All Perry Mason
We’re honored to share our conversation with David Wilkins, a Law Professor at Harvard Law School and the Faculty Director of the Center on The Legal Profession. Anand recently had the opportunity to present to Professor Wilkins’ class at HLS, The Legal Profession, where he shared his thoughts on technology’s impact on the future of legal jobs. Afterward, we had the chance to sit down with Professor Wilkins to talk about how Richard Nixon affected his legal career, three key forces affecting…
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Episode 16
Intuition And Indicators
Today we share our conversation with Evan Parker, a Ph.D statistics expert and founder of Parker Analytics. Evan is ushering in a new era of data-driven decision-making for law firms by working with them to collect, assess, and evaluate their data, optimizing how they do business. He uses data to help them discover problematic trends in recruitment, diversity, and efficiency, then identifies their solutions. He recently discussed one of these trends on Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast, Revisionist History. In this episode, Evan shares some surprising…
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Episode 15
The 2 am Idea
Today we share our conversation with Haley Altman, founder and CEO of Doxly, which was recently acquired. Haley tells her story from the point of view of a former big law partner specializing in corporate transactions. In that senior role, she personally felt a pain point and looked to the market for a solution. Finding none, she founded Doxly, a company that manages corporate legal transactions. Recently, Doxly was acquired and integrated into document life cycle powerhouse…
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Episode 14
The Modern Law Student
On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, I had the opportunity to talk to University of Dayton School of Law Dean, Andrew Strauss. The Law School is examining new ways to use online tools to make legal education accessible to more students. In this episode, we hear Dean Strauss’s opinions on how on-demand online education can sometimes more effectively educate the modern law student than traditional classes, the challenges facing law schools today, and the struggle inherent in balancing the traditions of legal academia with the demands of the new economy.
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Episode 13
The Small Firm Guide To Marketing
On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, we speak with Karin Conroy, Legal Marketing Consultant and founder of Conroy creative counsel. In our conversation, we talk about marketing strategies for small and mid-size law firm attorneys. Karin provides us guidance on how to create a prospective-client-focused website, aligning website visuals with each firm’s ideal client, and the demands of the modern prospective client operating in a world of limitless attorney options.
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Episode 12
The Next Generation GC
Today we share an interview with Bradley Gayton, the General Counsel and Chief Administrative Officer of Ford Motor Company, ranked twelve in the Fortune 500. Bradley embodies the new generation of GCs. He’s up to speed on new technology including AI and machine learning. He’s interested in changing the business model in law. He’s curious and interested in the massive changes we are all witnessing in the legal industry. In this episode, Bradley shares his thoughts on outside counsel as “part of the family”, viewing a case from the perspective of a business from cradle to grave, and promoting diversity not just at Ford but in the legal industry as a whole.
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Episode 17
Culture, Mergers, and Metrics
Today you’ll hear an interview with Beatrice Seravello, who was a former Chief Strategy Officer at Blank Rome and Kaye Scholer, and now a senior executive at Arnold Porter. As a chief strategy officer, Bea had oversight for all revenue-generating activities, leading Strategy, Business Development, Marketing and Practice Management for the firm, overseeing targeted new business and revenue growth, client development and retention strategies, pricing, and public relations. In that role she she reported directly to the Managing Partner. At Arnold & Porter she is working on the ongoing project of ensuring that the Arnold & Porter and Kaye Scholer Merger go smoothly, both operationally, and culturally.
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Episode 16
Gravity Stack: Innovation in the AmLaw 50
Today’s guest is Bryon Bratcher, the Managing Director of Gravity Stack, a wholly owned subsidiary of AmLaw 50 law firm Reed Smith. Gravity Stack is a revenue-generating company within the firm that builds products and offers up services for law firms and other businesses. We speak with Bryon about his journey from the head of the Reed Smith client technology solutions group, which was renamed and spun out as Gravity Stack. Bryon talks to us about the future of the industry, including the threats from the Big Four, consolidation among solutions providers, and the future of revenue generating solutions providers owned entirely by law firms. Bryon also talks about the entrepreneurial culture within Reed Smith that gave rise to Gravity Stack, which permits him to operate in an innovative and independently manner.
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Episode 15
Legal Tech From Scratch
Matthew Stubenberg is an attorney entrepreneur who is now the associate director of Legal Technology at Harvard Law School. Matthew has created notable and useful technology based on pain points he experienced as a practitioner in Baltimore, Maryland. So far he has created the NotGuilty App and MD Expungement, two tools that have earned thousands of users. We speak with Matt about what it was like creating apps specifically for lawyers, how he spots legal processes that can be easily automated, and what role he thinks technology and coders in particular are going to play in the practice of law.
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Episode 14
The Innovation Narrative
Today’s guest is Jordan Grotzinger, a shareholder and Co-Chair of the Los Angeles Litigation Practice at Greenberg Traurig. Jordan is a business litigator and trial attorney who has experience in entertainment law and intellectual property. Lately, he has spent an increasing amount of time driving innovation and modernization at the firm. We were honored to host Jordan in our office at Casetext in San Francisco to talk about how attorneys can incorporate technology into their practice at large firms, the future of the billable hour, what trends he is seeing in litigation, and what an “innovation narrative” means at a large firm.
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Episode 13
Revolução! A discussion of Brazil’s Legal Tech Boom
So often in the tech world and the legal industry we view the United States as a legal market that is separate and distinct, but it is really important for us to take into account what is happening in other countries as well. We see a lot of the same trends in countries like Brazil as we do in the United States, and we can seethe different ways in how they approach legal technology. Our guests are Bruno Barata, Evy Marques, and Bruno Feigelson, all preeminent figures in the Brazilian Legal Tech community.
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Episode 12
The Chatbot That Saved 15 Million Dollars
In this episode Anand is joined by Joshua Browder, a software engineer and the Founder of DoNotPay, a robot lawyer startup that helps customers fight parking tickets and obtain refunds from airlines. DoNotPay has saved their customers an estimated $15M in parking fines alone. Time Magazine proclaimed DoNotPay as the “Hero the World Needs,” and the BBC nicknamed it the “Robin Hood of the internet.” They talk about chatbots tailored to specific legal problems, the challenges in creating robot lawyers, and how technology can address exploitative industries in pro-consumer ways.
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Episode 14
Reimagining Law Firms (Part 1)
Today’s episode is the first in a three part series on the law firm business model and how COVID-19, the recession, and rising competition will cause it to rapidly change. Our guest today is someone who is uniquely qualified to talk about this subject. Meredith Williams-Range is the Chief Knowledge and Client Value Officer at the preeminent law firm Shearman & Sterling. Her portfolio of functions at the firm is impressive. Her role spans technology, knowledge management, pricing, and generally ensuring that each representation the firm takes on is a win-win, for the client, and for the firm. In this episode, we talk…
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Episode 6
Law School By Laptop
Today our conversation is with Erwin Chemerinsky, a preeminent constitutional law scholar, Supreme Court litigator, and Dean of Berkeley Law. We talk to Erwin about several topics, from Berkeley Law’s response to the pandemic, to how he picks which cases he takes on pro bono, many of which he argues at the Supreme Court or Circuit Court level. We also discuss legal fallout from the pandemic, from changed workplaces to a back and forth between the federal government and state governments with respect to shutting down businesses in the interests…
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A Robot Walks Into a Courtroom
Today we are honored to present our conversation Richard Susskind, one of the worlds leading intellectuals on technology in the law and the future of work. Dr. Susskind is also the author of some of the best-known books involving the modernization of law and lawyers – including “the Future of Law”, “Tomorrows Lawyers”, and his most recent book “Online Courts and the Future of Justice”. In our conversation, Richard considers the future of our court system, the incentives for law firms to..
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Episode 17
It’s Not All Perry Mason
We’re honored to share our conversation with David Wilkins, a Law Professor at Harvard Law School and the Faculty Director of the Center on The Legal Profession. Anand recently had the opportunity to present to Professor Wilkins’ class at HLS, The Legal Profession, where he shared his thoughts on technology’s impact on the future of legal jobs. Afterward, we had the chance to sit down with Professor Wilkins to talk about how Richard Nixon affected his legal career, three key forces affecting…
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Episode 12
The Next Generation GC
Today we share an interview with Bradley Gayton, the General Counsel and Chief Administrative Officer of Ford Motor Company, ranked twelve in the Fortune 500. Bradley embodies the new generation of GCs. He’s up to speed on new technology including AI and machine learning. He’s interested in changing the business model in law. He’s curious and interested in the massive changes we are all witnessing in the legal industry. In this episode, Bradley shares his thoughts on outside counsel as “part of the family”, viewing a case from the perspective of a business from cradle to grave, and promoting diversity not just at Ford but in the legal industry as a whole.
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Episode 4
Lessons from the Big 4
Today we are joined by Vishal Agnihotri, the Chief Knowledge Officer of Hinshaw & Culbertson, an AmLaw 200 law firm. Vishal has a background as an executive at KPMG and Ernst & Young. In this episode, we talk about the differences between two big areas of professional services, BigLaw, and the Big 4 accounting firms. Vishal observes a few different lessons that large law firms can learn from the Big 4, in addition to certain key roles the Big 4 will have a hard time replacing. She also shares her thoughts on the ‘unbundling’ of legal services, and how automation will affect the future of law firms providing value to clients.
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Episode 6
Holy Grail of Legal Tech
Evan Shenkman, Ogletree Deakins’ Director of Knowledge Management Counsel and Research, describes how his experiences practicing law and building Ogletree’s KM department led him to the “holy grail” of legal technology: a system that can automatically kick off a chain of events involving both external vendors and internal systems whenever a motion is filed.
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Episode 5
What Your Clients Are Thinking
Jason Barnwell, Assistant General Counsel at Microsoft, explains why he tries to structure his relationships with outside counsel as partnerships rather than a supplier or vendor relationship, and the signals he looks for that a firm will be a good partner to him. You’ll also find out why Jason believes “The billable hour is a shackle on innovation and efficiency,” and what Microsoft is moving toward to replace it.